Herbalife: Why I Made It a 35% Position after the Bill Ackman Bear Raid

This is a guest post prepared by Robert Chapman. Chapman is the founder of Chapman Capital LLC, which is a Los Angeles based investment company specializing in takeovers and turnarounds. In 2000, Chapman Capital was an activist versus Herbalife following the death of Herbalife’s founder Mark Hughes. This is an amazing article. It’s well-researched and easy to understand.  If you’re remotely curious about the future of Herbalife after Ackman’s attack, the mechanics of short selling and the potential value of Herbalife’s stock, this is a MUST read. If you find this article informative, hit the +1 or Like buttons above. Sincerely, +Kevin Thompson

Note: Note: Below is the opinion of Chapman Capital LLC and is not a recommendation or an indication of Chapman Capital’s current or future intent to buy, sell or otherwise transact in Herbalife common shares.

Update: Robert Chapman made some slight revisions to the article. His points are the same; however, he made a few stylistic changes.

As anyone even remotely connected to the world of multi level marketing is surely aware, the perpetually sanctimonious Bill Ackman and his extremely successful investment advisory firm Pershing Square formally launched a massive bear raid on Herbalife (HLF) on 12/20/2012, conducting a 3+ hour, media-packed, web-streamed 300+ PowerPoint slide deck presentation in New York after first selling short 20MM HLF shares for as estimated $1 billion plus in proceeds.   In his presentation and numerous interviews with the business media that day, Ackman declared a target price of zero for HLF’s shares.  In other words, he claims to be so convinced that Herbalife operates an illegal pyramid scheme, he is certain that government authorities and/or HLF’s distributors/salespeople/customers will shortly put the company out of business.

SUMMARY INVESTMENT THESIS: Despite beguiling and specious reasoning, Ackman will fail to influence/cause a material regulatory response or a HLF distributor exodus. Consequently, he will suffer a merciless short squeeze, catalyzed and augmented by a fast and furious combination of HLF share count shrinkage (buyback) and excellent operating performance (beat and raise dynamic).

REGUATORY SUMMARY: FTC has been there, done that.

The Ackman Tell. Many poker games are won and lost upon that infamous turning point when a player properly reads his opponent’s “tell.” To wit, I am confident that during an interview with CNBC’s Andrew Ross Sorkin on “D-Day” (12/20/2012), Bill Ackman slipped his “tell”, confirming my suspicion that he already realized the FTC wasn’t going to make his day by shutting down HLF. I strongly recommend all HLF traders/investors read the transcript of this interview, as Sorkin does a masterful job of fighting the media urge to genuflect before Ackman’s drawn down zipper, otherwise known as “The Whitney Tilson”. Specifically, Sorkin, after hammering Ackman, asked toward the end of this interview, “This is somewhat dependent on the FTC taking action. If they don’t, what happens?” Now, remember that Ackman’s entire thesis rests on his certitude (so he claims) that HLF is an illegal pyramid scheme, which the FTC has a mandate to shut down. If you were 100% certain (with 20% of HLF shorted in your funds alone) of this claim, wouldn’t your answer be, “There is no way the FTC doesn’t take action to shut down the illegal pyramid scheme run by Herbalife.” Instead, Ackman diffidently responds, “I think the FTC is going to take a very hard look. But I think most importantly the new distributor someone is trying to suck into the scheme will be better informed …”

The moment I read this response, after having researched HLF on/off since 2000 (when Chapman Capital had been an activist in HERBA/HERBB shares during Mark Hughes’ LBO efforts), I decided I had to place a monster long bet on HLF. I believe Ackman already had concluded the FTC wasn’t going to assist his crusade. Instead, he realized that he had to focus on existing and prospective HLF distributors, praying the media attention would have a materially deleterious impact on any decision to join or to continue with the HLF team. Indeed, without the FTC taking injunctive actions against HLF, Ackman’s crusade toward “zero” is doomed.

Here are key bullet points on the lack of real regulatory risk to HLF shares:

Internal Consumption Issue Already Clarified/Resolved by FTC in 2004: “the amount of internal consumption in any multi-level compensation business does not determine whether or not the FTC will consider the plan a pyramid scheme” is a quote from an FTC letter dated 01/14/2004. Essentially, the letter states that if a product is marketable, the FTC is OK with the MLM, making Einhorn’s 05/01/2012 call focusing questions on this internal consumption issue far less relevant than was (mis)understood.

FTC Material Adverse Actions Near Zero Probability:  during my due diligence, I spoke with the country’s top lawyer specializing in MLM/regulatory dynamics. During our conversation, he offered his legal opinion, pointedly stating that there won’t be any FTC injunction, much less any regulatory action to put HLF out of business (“hell freezes over before this happens”). If there is regulatory action of any kind, it simply will be some type of consent order/settlement addressing better disclosure.

Few Consumer Complaints:  the FTC has not received many consumer complaints on HLF products – only 37 in 2010, 36 in 2009, and YTD 05/2012 was only 18 (again around 40 annually).

HLF is Big, Time Tested Veteran:  the FTC can and will shut down companies violating MLM rules, just as it did BurnLounge (online music retailer) in 03/2012 and Equinox in 2000. While such action is rare, the FTC will act aggressively to shut down companies when it sees the need. During the 32 years of HLF’s existence, the FTC has yet to see the need to pursue Herbalife.

Ackman Relied Greatly on Old Cases, Leaving Out Material Facts – Ackman failed point out that the FTC has already commented about the relevance (or lack thereof) of the cases he referenced in his presentation. In fact, most of the post Einhorn reporting has been misleading information;

No Federal Clarity – lots of Grey:  No “bright line” federal statute against pyramid schemes; even the guy with jihad against MLM’s, Pyramid Scheme Alert’s Robert FitzPatrick, conceded that FTC decided too complex to regulate MLM’s in 09/2011 and other anti-MLM consumer protectors have as well; this MLM lawyer thinks DSA should fight for bright line federal standards to eliminate opportunity for short sellers to exploit the grey;

Vast Preponderance of Sales and Growth are International (i.e., Outside Ackman/FTC): 80% of HLF’s business overseas.

The DSA is an Effective Lobby: The DSA serves as a lobbying entity designed to protect the MLM industry from burdensome government regulations. It led a campaign in 2006 where 17,000 comments were submitted to the FTC, all requesting an exemption from the restrictive requirements in the Business Opportunity rule. The DSA was successful. The DSA is more powerful that Ackman’s ally, Pyramid Scheme Alert’s Robert FitzPatrick

DISTRIBUTOR SUMMARY:  “Bill who?”

Chapman Capital’s distributor surveys show no meaningful percentage of distributors had even heard about Ackman’s circus show. Moreover, their evangelical commitment to HLF and confusion as to what 300+ pages of PowerPoint means seem to be causing an acceleration of business growth. Ackman’s payment for Google Ads (pegged to “Herbalife” search) exhibits his desperation to influence distributors, efforts which appear to have negligible effect.

TAILWINDS — FAT TAILS AND BUSINESS BAILS  HLF has two secular tailwinds in its favor: lots of fat people (fat “tails”) and no shortage of structurally un/underemployed humans. In fact, one thought for a short in HLF to consider is the following: net/net, does the U.S. government benefit from fewer overweight Americans (lower insurance costs) and fewer people standing in unemployment lines (ever hear of a fiscal cliff problem with U.S. budget?)? If the U.S. government benefits from HLF’s impact on the country’s physical and fiscal health, while enduring only 40 complaints/year about HLF, why shut down HLF? Ponder that for a moment.

BACKGROUND: Short seller roadkill HLF shares were trading as high as $45/share on 12/14/2012, and had been over $70/share (a high teens P/E multiple) earlier this year before the highly respected investor David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital asked some leading questions on an earnings call that implied he was skeptical that Herbalife was operating within the Amway safe harbor guidelines for multi-level marketers. Fear of Einhorn’s excellent record of identifying overvalued short sale targets sent HLF shares into the $40’s in the spring. In contrast, Ackman has been somewhat vague as to when he built the preponderance of his short position (i.e., did he start before Einhorn’s 05/01/2012 questions or was he an unoriginal shadow to Einhorn’s trailblazing?), but I am guessing $50-55/share is his average short cost basis. There is no evidence Einhorn went short at that time or since, but I would be shocked if Greenlight would maintain HLF short positions anywhere near $30/share based on HLF’s international value alone.

Open interest on HLF puts accelerated and the stock’s relative weakness worsened in the fall of 2012 as, I suspect – No evidence here. I’ve just been around the block a few times – people “around” Ackman shorted HLF or bought HLF puts ahead of 12/20/2012 presentation. In fact, I have a pet theory that Ackman’s interest in going massively public was heightened (if not driven) by the HLF stock’s reasonably strong response (into mid-$50/share) attendant with impressive late July and October 2012 financial results. Essentially, my hypothesis is that Ackman, with overall 2012 performance impaired by JCP’s descent into the teens, came to conclude he needed a big winner before year-end 2012.

As word leaked into the market of Ackman’s intention to present publicly the bear case on Herbalife, the stock began a gradual decline, then fell suddenly from ~$41/share to $36/share in the closing market hours of 12/19/2012, when a CNBC reporter with big hair reported that market rumors were true. The next morning, as the PT Barnum of the hedge fund industry delivered his presentation in a New York hotel ballroom on 12/20/2012, and especially through the early trading hours of 12/21/2012 (a very illiquid trading day), the shares went into free fall, reaching a nadir of $24.40/share. My funds made their last purchases at $25.30/share in a brief but painful period of negative marks. HLF shares have since rebounded to ~$30/share as traders/investors have taken a closer look at whether the emperor is running around New York denuded (figuratively speaking . . . fortunately).

ACKMAN’S TIMING OF “INTEREST” Ackman’s end-of-same-year-that-Einhorn-showed-up timing was masterful – when it comes to the power of influence, only top hypnotists can compete. A classic bear raid involves creating abject panic in the market. Concurrently using the proximity to Christmas, the December option expiration, and the depth of his presentation, the Ackman impact on the shares was maximized. The last ten days of December are as quiet as it gets on Wall Street, with most decision makers leaving for vacation, drying up market depth and liquidity. Also, at the peak of the panic not many institutional investors felt the urge to have HLF show up in their 12/31/2012 Form 13-F filing. December is also the final month of HLF’s fiscal year, which puts them in a “blackout period,” prohibiting the company and insiders from repurchasing shares under the $950mm authorized buyback. Moreover, due to the extensive audit period that attends year-end, it will be several months before year-end 2012 results were reported. This blackout removes HLF’s most effective defense to the bear raid: executing a nearly $1 billion share repurchase authorization. Again, if timing is everything, Ackman is every woman (with a nod to Whitney Houston).

PERSHING SQUARE/ACKMAN RESUME:  Let’s review some history on Bill Ackman and Pershing Square, some color on the mechanics of short selling, and Herbalife’s response to the bear raid to date.

Bill Ackman manages a New York based hedge fund called Pershing Square with exceptionally good long-term results. Ackman is not known as a short seller. His fund is generally a long-biased fund. He achieved some notoriety for predicting that muni-bond insurer MBIA was undercapitalized, which eventually proved true during the financial crisis of 2007-2009. His enormous investment in General Growth Properties (GGP) at less than $1/share remains one of the most impressive brains/balls combinations I have ever seen. All the while, however, his ego seems boundless.

He is somewhat unusual among usually media averse hedge fund managers in that his strategy involves publicly trumpeting the merits (and genius) of his investments, which he generally holds for a long time. He manages a concentrated portfolio comprised of very few, very large investments. He also is considered an activist investor. He frequently badgers the board and management of the companies in which he invests with what start as suggestions and frequently escalate to demands as to how they should conduct their business, what their capital structure should be, and the composition of its board.

Though he will rarely, if ever, publicly concede, Ackman makes mistakes just like the rest of us, even catastrophic financial ones (e.g., call options on Target). Indeed, Ackman closed down a previous hedge fund advisory entity called Gotham Partners after he reportedly marooned his investment funds in an illiquid and devastating combination of a closely held REIT (First Union Real Estate) and a portfolio of golf courses (Gotham Golf) for which no exit was possible. So while Ackman is quite good at what he does for a living, his hubris makes him vulnerable to spectacular failure. He has a high financial IQ, but it may be the delusional and narcissistically 15 surplus IQ points he awards himself that have been, and may again be, his undoing. Think of him as the Reggie Jackson (I’m dating myself here) of Wall Street: he swings for the fences, but can cause a lot of pain and break a lot of hearts – or the bank – when he whiffs.

SHORT SELLING PRIMER: A bit more on short selling for those inexperienced in the sport. Short selling is a vital component of the markets. The ability of investors to sell short shares of overvalued companies keeps market valuations in check, and permits investors to hold hedged portfolios that are not dependent on constantly rising indices to make a positive return. There are risks, however, of going short that do not exist on the long side. For instance, if one purchases the shares of Acme Widget at $10/share, and Acme fails, you know precisely how much you will lose – your $10/share, and no more. If you were to short Acme Widget at $10/share and Acme were to discover a vast plutonium mine under their headquarters, those shares that were shorted at $10/share may have to be repurchased in the market at $100/share, $500/share, or even $1,000/share. The potential loss on a short sale is unlimited. For this reason, most professional long/short investors keep the size of their short positions much smaller than their long positions. For instance, if a core long position is 5% of capital, a core short may be 2%. Last week in Barron’s, famed short seller Jim Chanos discussed his lessons learned from the 1999-2000 internet bubble when he saw his AOL short go up eight times in value in his face. The lesson he drew was to keep individual shorts small relative to capital. Ackman’s $1 billion short in Herbalife is almost 10% of his reported $11 billion fund. If he is wrong, he may very well be putting his firm at risk due to the enormity of his short position relative to both Pershing Square’s and HLF’s size, and the potential difficulty of covering a short position of that magnitude in a “short squeeze”. Google the notorious Volkswagen/Porsche trade to see how dramatically these events can play out at the extremes.

To go short a company’s stock, one must borrow the shares to sell from a broker. Shorting without a proper borrow is called “naked shorting”, and is illegal. Holders of stock give their broker the right to lend out their shares in exchange for the flexibility of keeping margin accounts, and to participate in a portion of the fees short sellers incur for access to those shares. Short selling is conducted by the investor calling his broker, securing a borrow, and then executing the sale. Most companies have ample shares available to borrow, and this process yields little drama. However, in the case of controversial stocks, the demand to borrow shares may exceed the supply in the brokers “box”. If long holders sell shares brokers had out on loan to short sellers, the short seller must replace those borrowed shares he has lost access to with newly sourced shares. Should none be found, he will be forced to cover that portion of his position, and if unwilling to cover, the broker will involuntarily “buy him in”. This dynamic is what leads to short squeezes, where heavily shorted issues rapidly appreciate in the absence of any fundamental reason. Just look back to 2008 when the US government suddenly prohibited the shorting of financial stocks to see how painful that result can be for short sellers.

One effective defense for the short seller would be to have his broker contract on his behalf with a lender of shares to provide a quantity of shares for a specific term, at a negotiated payment. This insulates the short seller from buy-in risk for the duration of the contract. However, these contracts are individually negotiated, and somewhat rare. Also, they frequently permit the long holder to regain access to his shares if the company were to, for instance, conduct a self-tender offer for its shares. It is not known if Ackman has such an arrangement.

Ackman’s self-reported short position of 20 million HLF shares is over 75% of the reported short interest in Herbalife. At this point, the “borrow is tight” – there appears to be a near zero supply of shares available to sell short. The few brokers that will supply a borrow are charging as much as 20% of the value of the short annually for that access. This is a monster number – between the 20% negative-borrow and HLF’s dividend, it would cost nearly 25% each year to stay short HLF, all things remaining constant on those two variables.

HLF’s DEFENSE IS COMING:  Given the holiday timing, the best defense HLF has been able to muster has been to put a video of CEO Mike Johnson on its IR webpage defending the company broadly, and to schedule an investors’ day two weeks later, for 01/10/2013 in New York to address Ackman’s accusations in detail. The company has hired an impressive team of advisors. While most would have expected Bank of America/Merrill Lynch to get the assignment given their execution of last spring’s $400mm share repurchase, the task has been given to Moelis & Company, a well regarded, Los Angeles-based boutique investment banking firm. The firm’s namesake, Ken Moelis, is a disciple of Mike Milken from the height of Drexel Burnham’s power in the mid-1980’s. Moelis went on to a successful career at DLJ and UBS, where he became the premier investment banker to the casino gaming world, before launching his own shop.

Additionally, Herbalife has reportedly hired Boies, Shiller & Flexner the law firm founded by famed litigator David Boies. Consider Boies’ HLF team to be the Navy Seals Team 6 of litigation – you really don’t want them on the other side of your war. Note, I have no evidence that Bill Ackman is related to Osama bin Laden, and thus worthy of being targeted by DEVGRU (figuratively speaking, of course).

HLF promises a detailed rebuttal of the Ackman allegations on 01/10/2013, and I expect it will blow away the skeptics with a point-by-point dissection of Ackman’s claims. I presume Boies was brought on to bring suit against Ackman for some combination of libel, slander, defamation, tortuous interference and other imaginative causes of action. No matter how this turns out, the discovery, depositions and testimony should be highly enlightening and probably quite entertaining.

HLF’s DIRT CHEAP VALUATION:  So now, how might one value the shares of HLF in the bull case where Ackman is convincingly discredited by HLF CEO Johnson (a singular American bad-ass, according to my sources who know him personally here in L.A.) on 01/10/2013, and the market no longer ascribes risk to the feared FTC intervention (if I hear “headline risk” one more time …). EBITDA is a preferred valuation metric for a company like HLF that doesn’t have heavy capital expenditure requirements, and converts much of its reported earnings to cash that can be distributed as dividends or used to repurchase shares. Herbalife will produce over $725mm of earnings before interest, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) this year, a growth-stock worthy increase from $634mm in 2011 and $480mm in 2010. The few analysts that cover the stock project $800mm in 2013. Think of HLF’s gushing cash flow this way – HLF is printing EBITDA of over $2mm/day. That’s a heck of a lotta cheese with which to fight Ackman, who has and will be spending his own and his investors’ money on litigation and other matters (which won’t bother his limited partners until the stock is going up on a daily basis). HLF is lightly leveraged, with $500mm of bank debt, and quite liquid with $700mm of unused borrowing capacity and $300mm of cash. HLF currently pays $1.20/share in dividends annually on its ~108 million shares outstanding.

In the absence of controversy, the market would typically accord a fast growing, capital efficient company such as HLF a premium multiple. Let’s just assume the S&P 500 index current multiple of 8x EBITDA. This would yield a total enterprise value of 8x $725 of EBITDA = $5.8B. Deducting ~$500 million of debt, but giving credit for $150 of the cash (that is excess to the operating needs of the business), would yield a total equity value of $5.45B, which divided by the 108mm shares works out to $50.46/share. The current price of ~$30/share implies an EBITDA multiple of 4.7x. Tupperware, which is a MLM free from controversy, trades at 9.3x EBITDA, and Avon trades slightly higher. At $50/share, the share still would sport a dividend yield of 2.4%. Herbalife should report net income of about $4 per share this year and $4.50 in 2013 (ignoring the massive buyback I see coming). $30/share implies a 2012 P/E multiple of around 7x. The current S&P multiple is about 13x. For a company growing 15%+, you would expect to see a premium multiple, which is why brokerage firm analysts who cover the stock have target prices from $65 to $101. My valuation is lower, but should the Ackman-induced cloud be lifted, I can’t say those targets are absurd.

In fact, between the technical short squeeze that is in the making, the massively accretive impact of a $1B buyback, and the FTC risk fading away, I can’t say that I’d be surprised to see HLF trade back to its old highs of $70/share. If HLF has $500mm of 2013 net income, and buys back 30mm of around 110mm shares, the ultra-low interest rate environment makes the net income impact from interest expense miniscule (the HLF 13% EPS yield is 3-4x borrowing costs). Getting over $6/share in EPS is really not that hard to financially engineer, and between the short squeeze, comparable valuations, a below-market 11-12 P/E multiple would take HLF back into the $70s. Indeed, it could turn out even more financially salubrious than even these scenarios.

Ackman’s essentially fired nuclear missiles at HLF’s business model and its legality. When (and not “if”) HLF’s regulators and distributors essentially blow off Ackman’s claims as either old or no news, HLF will for all intents/purposes become bulletproof and battle tested. This may/should garner it a higher valuation than before Einhorn or Ackman ever showed up. That “what if” scenario gets you a $100/share stock price potential (again, only 15x $6-7/share in EPS gets you there; I’m not talking about a NFLX-level valuation here).

This hypothetical rally toward triple digits is not farfetched. In the event of a self-tender by HLF, or even without one, should the large institutional shareholders proactively remove their shares from the stock loan supply, there is great potential for short sellers being forced to cover as the borrow dries up. A panic to the upside could occur as the shorts are forced to buy in 25 million shares in a market unable to induce that many sellers. I am sure HLF and its capable teams of advisors are looking at the myriad of options to create value out of the chaos caused by this spectacular bear raid. Indeed, it does not take great imagination to see what could make these numbers dance.

In addition, Ackman has no shortage of enemies from my own polling of the audience. The odds favor Herbalife in this aspect of the battle. Ackman truly went all-in telling the world he has shorted ~20% of a relatively unlevered company trading at ~4x EBITDA.

BUT WHAT IF ACKMAN IS RIGHT?  His target price of zero implies the company is shut down globally, not just here in the US, which comprises only 20% of HLF’s global revenue. Is it possible? I guess so, but in my view no more than a very slim probability. More probable, in the unlikely case the FTC responds to Ackman’s presentation and reopens the same issues they have been policing for 32 years in the case of HLF, it is possible that the company could be forced to change some elements of how it conducts business in the US, and maybe elsewhere, leading to lower sales and margins. No doubt this would spook the market with fears that there was even more scrutiny to come, leading the market to value Herbalife at a discounted multiple on reduced earnings.
So let’s take a cut at that. Let’s say the FTC somehow compels business practice changes that reduce sales by 20% and lead to current pre-tax margins contracting by 25%. This would yield EBITDA of approximately $450mm, which at 5x would yield a share price of $17. Personally, I think there is about a 10% chance of this outcome. So weighting a 10% chance of $17/share, and a 90% chance of $50/share, I come up with a fair value of $47/share, which is why I own a boatload of shares purchased into the panic created by the bear raid. In fact, there is far more likelihood of another LBO of HLF (Golden Gate/Whitney stole it the first time around) than any other “headline risk.”

Ackman took his shot; now it is HLF’s turn.

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  • stan

    Mr. Thomson I’m very confused in your previous post you discuss why hiring Boies is the worst decision Herbalife could make. The argument there is that Boies filed a class action suit against Amway and they are “anti-MLM”. In this post you make it sound like hiring Boies is a great move. Care to explain?

    • http://www.themlmattorney.com/about Kevin Thompson

      It was a guest post, Stan.

      • http://twitter.com/osufishman osufishman

        LOL, looks like Ackman and Einhorn were right all along and chapma sold all his shares!

    • http://twitter.com/osufishman osufishman

      Accounting fraud?, auditor resigns! SEC investigating pyramid scheme?

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  • sam

    stan, Thompson didn’t write this post. Chapman did.

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  • Shawn

    He’s missing the point. A pyramid scheme is classified by the FTC as the
    business being more than 50% “recruiting” profits. Ackman demonstrated
    that the accounting is malicious and hides the fact that 95%+ comes from
    recruiting.

    • hard kore

      are you short…..:)

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1543564606 Dawn Bancroft Frappollo

      I make commission on EVERY one of my customers’ purchases (ALL – unlike other sales positions I’ve been in for “legit” companies), starting at 25% up to 50%.
      Instead of guessing folks, and making up your own stories, why don’t you ask folks like me – an Herbalife Distributor – what the structure is. I’ll be glad to share the information with you.

  • Itsmeagain Iamback

    How about Staffmark? Did his miss that stock price de-leveraging?

  • http://twitter.com/blaze_biscuits J-Bank

    Great Point: ” If the U.S. government benefits from HLF’s impact on the country’s
    physical and financial health, and only 40 complaints/year come into the
    FTC on HLF, why shut down HLF? Ponder that for a moment.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1543564606 Dawn Bancroft Frappollo

      considering we have over 8 million customers, I’d say 40 a year is nothing. I wonder how many non-MLM companies receive a year?

  • dhuddle

    @ Shawn – Really? Ackman proved accounting fraud? HLF has $3.9 Billion
    of TTM revenues, bought one of the companies that produced HLF products 2 years
    ago and is building a new distribution facility (not things a “pyramid
    scheme” would do if 95% of its profits were from recruiting). Here is a simple test of whether HLF is a pyramid
    scheme – assume that 50% of the revenues are from recruiting fees ($1.95
    Billion) and that the average of those fees to HLF is $100 per Distributor.
    That would mean that 19.5 million people paid an average of $100 each. $100 is
    a lot of money in many countries. Do you really think they could get 19.5
    million people to pay $100 each in a 12 month period? That is equal to the
    population of the 6 largest US cities (New York, LA, Chicago, etc.) And that
    only assumes 50% of the revenues are from fees and that the rest is from
    product sales. Didn’t Ackman basically claim they don’t have any sales? The
    math doesn’t support that.

  • Shb600

    Most telling is Chapman’s fixation on Bill Ackman personally rather than refuting the 300+ page report and relies on one line from a court case in 2004 to prove his case and an anonymous lawyer who is ” the expert” in MLMs. Chapman seems to think Ackman has never heard of a short squeeze before. Pretty funny

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  • iolite Partners

    The author, like so many other people going long Herbalife now, is missing the point. Herbalife is a pyramid scheme (also read up on Ponzi schemes – it is important to understand the dynamics of pyramid or Ponzi schemes) and thus destined to collapse at one point – with or without the regulator shutting it down. The only question is: when? Ackman made a case that the point of collapse is closer than most market participants believe. However, if wrong, he risks looking bad for months or maybe years to come… until Herbalife will actually collapse because, as a pyramid scheme, it has to.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1543564606 Dawn Bancroft Frappollo

      obvi you have no clue what a Ponzi scheme is. and it’s not a pyramid scheme either. Ackman, by the way, is a known bud of Madoff and his cronies – enough said.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1543564606 Dawn Bancroft Frappollo

    wonderful. thank you!

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  • http://www.wellness85034.com/about-us/ Claudia M. Hill

    At first I was actually quite confident that Ackman nailed it, but as
    you go through the it he seems to be grasping at straws more
    and more. ‘financial harm’ caused to participants sounds somewhat
    ridiculous, yet he kept on mentioning it. I assure you state lotteries
    cause more ‘financial harm’ by his definition. With HLF participants are
    taking a business risk, and with it a financial risk. HLF can argue
    that new participants are paying for brand name, advertising support etc
    etc…
    By definition as the number of Herbalife Products Distributor increases
    globally, the probability of cracking the president’s club must go down
    since its a fixed % of distributors if I’m not mistaken. What Ackman
    didnt mention is the financial compensation in aggregate for lower high
    performing tiers goes up as #of distributors increases. So a fast
    decreasing probability of ‘making it’ is not exactly true.
    The most important flaw I found was the fact that there was no clear connection
    made to the company’s financial performance, which is the only thing
    that matters. HLF’s business model is indeed unsustainable in the long
    run, but the long run is a long time. He gave no evidence that the pool
    of potential distributors can no longer sustain HLF’s business model –
    and that is the most critical factor.